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Post by mority on Oct 27, 2017 15:32:54 GMT 1
The site says the following about 64bit plugins made by SynthEdit 1.2:
"64-bit Plugins have reduced support for MIDI. Only Note, Controller and SYSEX messages can be received by a plugin, plugins do not currently send any MIDI. This is due to a limitation of the VST3 Plugin format."
When i understand everything correctly then 1.2 can also create 64bit vst2 plugins. The Quote suggests that only vst3 plugins can not send any midi data? Can you make 64bit vst2 plugins that send Midi data with Synthedit (maybe with 1.3?)? If not will this be implemented in the future?
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Post by Rob on Nov 4, 2017 16:56:47 GMT 1
Just stick with VST2.4 indeed for MIDI data stuff, and yeah SE1.2 can create 64bit VST2.4 plugins.
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Post by Andrew on Nov 4, 2017 19:53:31 GMT 1
The same MIDI limitations apply even in 64bit. The VST2 that SE exports is basically a wrapped VST3. Jeff explained it on the yahoo site.
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Post by Rob on Nov 5, 2017 14:22:08 GMT 1
My bad. You're right Andrew.
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Post by mority on Jun 20, 2018 13:18:09 GMT 1
Has this changed in the last months? Can I now make 64bit Midi vst2 plugins? maybe with 1.4?
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Post by Andrew on Jun 20, 2018 16:35:53 GMT 1
Nope and it has nothing to do with SE actually, the Steinberg VST SDK does not support it so Jeff can't implement it. Even if an SE plug could send proper MIDI - it would crash the DAW because it is not supported. Remember that VST are plug-ins not applications, so that have to abide by a certain set of rules. And in this case, Steinberg makes the rules. P.S. Steinberg also officially dropped support for VST2 SDK support.
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Post by mority on Jun 20, 2018 18:25:36 GMT 1
Well i dont want to annoy you and i can totally accept a "not gonna happen". But VST2 does support Midi output. Ist it really important that Steinberg dropped vst2 support? I program midi vst2 plugins myself and they are working perfectly fine. If you dont believe me there are lots of midi plugins out there (vst2, and midi goes in and comes out). But you said that vst2 synthedid plugins (in 64bit atleast) are wrapped vst3 plugins. So that would need a serious rewrite to change. i accept that.
I actually dont need midi plugins. I Just want to make plugins that can communicate with my own vst software plugins. I wanted to do it over midi but there are propably different ways. I could let them communicate over parameters. Surely there are also more classical ways to let two programs talk to each other instantly on the same computer...
I mean when i understand it correctly i can integrate custom dlls in synthedit synths. So there should be a way to solve this.
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Post by Andrew on Jun 21, 2018 18:11:27 GMT 1
Well i dont want to annoy you and i can totally accept a "not gonna happen". But VST2 does support Midi output. Ist it really important that Steinberg dropped vst2 support? I program midi vst2 plugins myself and they are working perfectly fine. If you dont believe me there are lots of midi plugins out there (vst2, and midi goes in and comes out). But you said that vst2 synthedid plugins (in 64bit atleast) are wrapped vst3 plugins. So that would need a serious rewrite to change. i accept that. I actually dont need midi plugins. I Just want to make plugins that can communicate with my own vst software plugins. I wanted to do it over midi but there are propably different ways. I could let them communicate over parameters. Surely there are also more classical ways to let two programs talk to each other instantly on the same computer... I mean when i understand it correctly i can integrate custom dlls in synthedit synths. So there should be a way to solve this.
Nothing is impossible given a lot of time, effort and/or money. You can theoretically bypass the DAW and write to the OS and then 'loop-back' the data - would be super-tricky because there might be timing and thread-safety issues. If I could take a guess at the time/money involved, also taking into account the complexity, I would say 3months or 5k to 30k USD for a professional to do it or you to do it yourself with the SDK.
My hope is to just skip all of the above and hope that Steinberg fixes their issues, especially considering the new MIDI-CI standard that is about to be released, would be a shame for plug-ins to miss out on that action.
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